From Ret Paladins to WoW Developers ver. 6.0

by Maeltum | 20/04/2007 00:30:09
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Maeltum

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Dear World of Warcraft Developers:

First, we would like to congratulate you on doing an amazing job overall in regards to designing, developing, marketing, and maintaining World of Warcraft (WoW). No MMO in the history of the genre has ever been able to claim as many paying subscriptions as WoW and that’s something to be proud of, congratulations.

As you guys are clearly aware, WoW has had, and continues to have some problems and we are sure that you guys are doing everything in your power to handle them in a timely and efficient matter. However, we Retribution Paladins feel as though you are neglecting to address an issue with the Paladin class, specifically, the Retribution tree. We believe that something is, well, out of whack when the “melee oriented hybrid” class is more desired to play a healing role than the games designated healing class (Priests) and said designated healing class is more desired to play an offensive role than the games “melee oriented hybrid” class (Paladins).

We believe that the Retribution tree does not function in a fashion that makes it desirable in end game PvE or PvP. Our belief is reflected in the actions of other players. For example, roughly three weeks ago, someone gathered and presented data regarding the top 5 v 5 arena teams across all battle groups. There were 78 Paladins represented in those teams, out of 78 Paladins, 77 were Holy, 1 was Protection and yes, 0 was Retribution.

Aside from not being useful in end game Arena PvP, Retribution Paladins have long been known to be the least desired spec in end game PvE. We are bringing the following thread to your attention; in it, the original poster solicited replies from guild/raid leaders regarding their views on Retribution Paladins and raids. We understand that the people that responded to the thread do not represent the entire community. However, they do represent a random sample, and from that random sample, an inference regarding the views of the entire population can be drawn. Here is the thread:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=86644720&sid
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Also, it should be pointed out that discrimination against Retribution Paladins in end game PvE doesn’t start at the raid level, it is in full swing at the Heroic 5 Man level. Many people make the argument that Retribution Paladins neither do enough DPS nor bring enough utility to be picked up for end game PvP or PvE.

We Retribution Paladins are asking you, Blizzard developers, to please take a look at the Retribution tree and make changes that will increase the desirability of the spec in end game PvP and PvE. We are not explicitly or implicitly asking for “more DPS” or “more utility,” what we are asking for is “a solution” whether that is more DPS, more utility, a combination of both, or something completely different. We just want the spec fixed.

Thanks for reading.

Below, you will find the signatures of all interested Retribution Paladins.

Tytanis



CHECK OUT THE SUGGESTION FORUMS VERSION:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94202689&sid
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First thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89380343&sid
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Second thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89401661&sid
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Third thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93031094&sid
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Fourth thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93959505&sid
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Fifth thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94202687&sid
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by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 00:55:59
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Kalgan

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CHECK OUT THE SUGGESTION FORUMS VERSION:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94202689&sid
=1

First thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89380343&sid
=1

Second thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89401661&sid
=1

Third thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93031094&sid
=1

Fourth thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93959505&sid
=1

Fifth thread:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94202687&sid
=1


First, thank you for the suggestions. There are a lot of valid points made in the threads.

However, while I don't disagree that there aren't many highly rated ret pallies, it's worth pointing out that there also aren't many highly rated prot warriors, destro locks, balance druids, survival hunters, enhancement shamans, etc.

While trying to get each spec to be arena viable in the different formats is a noble goal, the reality is that it isn't an immediate goal for every spec to be optimized for every aspect of the game (arenas, battlegrounds, solo-ing, raiding, heroics, etc).

In the case of arenas, it seems to me that getting each class reasonably represented in highly rated teams is a more important goal, and unfortunately the paladin class happens to be somewhat grossly over-represented in this regard.

by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 01:06:28
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Kalgan

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Then what is our pvp damage spec or are we never suposed to damage in pvp?


If you want to do damage in pvp as a paladin, then I'd say that ret is your spec. It just so happens that it's outshined by the reality that holy paladins are much more likely to help your team win.

by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 01:52:47
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Kalgan

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You gave us too much spell crit on our gear. Why not take that away instead of changing a core talent?


So, solve the symptom instead of the problem? No thanks.

by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 01:54:06
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I understand the illum nerf, but where did the 50% come from? It seems like a larger cut than needed!


Now that's a valid point. We're certainly keeping an eye on the 50% number.

by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 01:58:14
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Kalgan

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Kalgan, what exactly is the purpose of the retribution tree? What is the advantage of choosing ret over holy or protection?


It's an effective solo'ing/questing/"grinding" tree. It's also an effective tree for damage in pvp, although most of our pvp is group oriented and your groupmates will generally prefer that you play a support role since their classes can often supply the needed dps but aren't able to supply the support a paladin is capable of.

It's also quite possible to get groups for 5-person instances as a ret pally, provided you aren't the type that will rule out healing in an emergency or for certain encounters provided it would help more at that moment.

by Kalgan | 20/04/2007 02:02:10
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What answers do you need? The spec is worthless. Raid leaders won't take us, Kalgan has admitted it's useless in group PVP, and anyone with a spec of knowledge knows you need to outgear anyone to kill them. It's dead. Respec, reroll or quit.


Actually, ret pallies can do some surprisingly strong raid dps if they're in a good melee group dps composition. Encouraging raid leaders to do this is the reason for this change:

- "Sanctity Aura" now increases all damage caused by affected targets by 1/2% and no longer increases healing done to affected targets.

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