Although we’ve revealed some details of the conversion process, many of you have asked how many Justice and Valor Points bosses and daily dungeons will actually award. This list is incomplete, and the values may still change, but it covers the majority of the content we’ve been asked about.

Lich King Heroic dungeon boss -- 16 Justice Points
Lich King daily normal dungeon -- 12 Justice Points
Lich King daily Heroic dungeon -- 23 Justice Points
Lich King raid boss -- 23 Justice Points

Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily normal dungeon -- 75 Justice Points
Cataclysm daily Heroic dungeon -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points

It’s important to note that once you outgrow content, by leveling past it by a predetermined amount, you’ll no longer gain points. The ‘outgrown’ level for end-game Wrath of the Lich King content is likely to be level 81. Once you level beyond Lich King content you’ll still be able to enter the dungeons, kill bosses, and see their drops, but they will not award you with points. This same principle applies to all content that provides Justice Points, including content from The Burning Crusade.

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Q u o t e:
Hold on a sec... If you're supposed to be able to choose based on what you like most between 10 and 25 man, why does 25 man give more points per boss?

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As we had stated previously there are obvious differences between the two. Gathering and coordinating 25 players is a larger task, and so some differences do occur in the way they're rewarded. It's not through the types of items, but rather the number of drops per-boss, and points.

Specifically in the original announcement of the new raid lock system: Cataclysm Raid Progression Refinements

"We of course recognize the logistical realities of organizing larger groups of people, so while the loot quality will not change, 25-player versions will drop a higher quantity of loot per player (items, but also badges, and even gold), making it a more efficient route if you're able to gather the people."

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Q u o t e:


You guys should give me some magic color text. I figure it like this, it took Bashoik about 5 minutes to analyze and post a professional post. Now say the CMs are making about 12/hr, is about 1 dollar worth of your time. Thus, ever 100 posts I am saving you $100. It is a no brainer, unless you count my trolling post, which probably cost you $50 because I made 50 bad post. Still the net gain is there.

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I shall take this under advisement.

(but not really)

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Following that logic shouldn't 10-man raid bosses give more points than 5-man heroic bosses?

My fault, I misread "Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points"

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Cataclysm Heroic dungeon boss -- 75 Justice Points

Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points

Hah, and I even somehow quoted your correction without noticing. Yeah with them all next to each other it sort of plays tricks on the eyes. :)

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Q u o t e:
"Cataclysm daily Heroic dungeon -- 75 Valor Points "

uh oh... people are gonna be able to get epics from running the daily heroic!!!

thats only 10 daily heroics to get the cheapest epic item... omg epics without raiding! oh and the reputation epics as well. but still so much for raiding only epics eh. ( in pve )

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You get emblems of frost from the daily heroic now.